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--by Scott Isler, reprinted from Musician magazine, May 1986


The scene is pandemonium.  The band starts a song, then stops as over-enthusiastic members of the youthful audience lunge onto the proscenium.  Security men both receive and dole out red (and black-and-blue) badges of courage.  The bass player risks alienating the crowd by announcing sternly, "We don't care where we're playing, we don't like people onstage!"  Maybe his fans would take him more seriously if he didn't look like a Hare Krishna disciple -- shaven head, orange robe -- wearing large, dangling earrings of fish.  By the encore the band is well outflanked by security, but these aren't your pony-tailed, beer-bellied bouncers;  in their matching blazers and red neckties they more resemble a Mafia glee club.  This is not a sweaty hard-core punk dive.  This is the Violent Femmes at New York's Carnegie Hall.

Who the hell are the Violent Femmes?

"Andrew Carnegie appeared to our manager at a seance and insisted that we play there," Brian Ritchie claims several hours before the event.  The dour-toned but drily humorous bassist prefers tattered denim jackets and plaid shirts to saffron robes offstage, though he likes the earrings and the newly-shaved head, a triennial event.   "We realized when we're talking to our grandchildren and they ask what kind of venues did we play, we'll be able to tell 'em one venue that probably will still be around!"

"It's been around for at least five years," drummer Victor DeLorenzo adds earnestly.

"There's definitely a lot of good musicians that have been on that stage," Ritchie says, then pauses.  "And we're not some of them."

The Violent Femmes are a trio from Milwaukee, Wisconsin -- with no apologies.  In five years these former outcasts of the city's music scene have evolved from ugly ducklings to, if not swans, at least very popular ducks.  Their first album, released in 1983, has managed to sell 175,000 copies without ever appearing on Billboard's top 200 chart.  Indeed, they were still chart virgins when their current third album, The Blind Leading the Naked, suddenly roared into the top 100, selling 100,000 copies in its first four weeks of release.

"The other two were hits," Ritchie states defensively, "it just wasn't all at once."  Singer/guitarist Gordon Gano admits being "a little bit surprised, not shocked" by his group's newfound acceptance.  "I'm ready for almost anything.  There did seem to be signs it would do fairly well.  Very much in contrast to our last record, the record company is like, 'Oh yeah, we like it, we can work with it!'"

In that case, their record company had better move fast.  The Violent Femmes aren't known for playing corporate ball.  During the making of their previous album, Ritchie says, "We were getting phone calls from Slash.  They'd say, 'Well, you guys are using a big drum sound, right?  It's real danceable, right?'  We'd say, 'Yeah, it is,' and then just make what we want to."  The members would rather check out jazz shows and avant-garde theater than their new neighbors on the album charts.   No wonder Warner Bros. eagerly seized the Femmes' first recorded non-original song -- T. Rex's "Children of the Revolution" -- for a single:  "It sounds the least like us of anything we've done," Gano laughs.

The irony isn't lost on the group;  they just couldn't care less.  Besides, what do you expect from a three-piece that consists of an acoustic bass guitarist;  a stand-up drummer whose minimal kit includes a washtub;  and a diminutive singer who alternates paeans to Jesus with the psychotic ravings of a horny teenager?  This isn't quite Foreigner we're dealing with.

Even before they got together, the individual Femmes had shown a healthy disregard for social convention.  Gano, twenty-two, still looks the part of a picked-on high school student seething with creativity.  He channeled it into violin and then songwriting while growing up in Oak Creek, a Milwaukee suburb.  Accompanying himself on guitar, Gano would perform solo or with a friend or brother on second guitar.  Meanwhile, Ritchie was one-half of an Irish folk music duo, and also playing guitar and bass with DeLorenzo, then active in an improvisatory theater group.  In 1979 Ritchie's duo shared the stage with Gano at a Milwaukee variety show;  the promoter tipped him off to Gano --"'a pint-sized Lou Reed imitator,'" Ritchie remembers the description.

"At first I was really skeptical.  He came out with gloves on playing a guitar which wasn't the kind you'd buy at Musicland.  But once he started playing I realized the guy had at least charisma, and some of his songs were really interesting."  Intrigued, Ritchie attended a subsequent performance, introduced himself and asked Gano to open a show for him.  Gano returned the favor by inviting Ritchie to play with him at a high school assembly:  Violent Femmes Legend Number One.  "He did 'Gimme the Car' [an explosive plaint that flirts with obscenity] in front of the whole school and it erupted into a near-riot," Ritchie says.   "It was fantastic!"

In June, 1981, after DeLorenzo got back from a European tour with his theater group, the three got together for a jam -- "and we never stopped," Ritchie says.   "We never decided to form a band.  We played many gigs and we were one of the most popular bands in Milwaukee -- before we realized we even had a band.  That's why we're called Violent Femmes.  We didn't think it was going to be a permanent organization;  we thought we could get away with having the most ridiculous name in the world, because we wouldn't have to live with it!"

At first the band was acoustic all the way, not even using microphones at their coffee-house gigs.  Ritchie didn't want the hassle of dragging around an upright bass -- not like he could afford one anyway -- so he came up with an acoustic bass guitar.   DeLorenzo brushed up on his brush work;  he'd been taught by a 40s big-band drummer.  The resulting streamlined sound contrasted nicely with Gano's heavyweight lyrical obsessions.  And the low-power requirement gave rise to Violent Femmes Legend Number Two:

They were busking for change from ticket-buyers at a Milwaukee Pretenders concert a couple of months after forming.  Unbeknownst to the Femmes, the Pretenders were looking for an opening act.  That group's late guitarist James Honeyman Scott caught the Femmes' al fresco act, and voila!  They were playing in front of the largest, most hostile crowd of their young career.

The crowds aren't hostile anymore -- anti-social, yes, but hostile, no.  The Femmes recently returned to the theater where they opened for the Pretenders, only this time as headliners.  In between they signed to Slash, an indie label with Warner Bros. distribution, and toured heavily -- criss-crossing the country numerous times, playing Europe almost as much, making inroads in Australia and New Zealand.  Even MTV has been helpful.

The Violent Femmes' self-titled first album expanded the cult beyond city limits.   The record's simple production high-lighted the semi-acoustic arrangements and Gano's whiny vocals that had rock critics reflexively pulling out Velvet Underground and Jonathan Richman albums for comparison.  The band settled the issue to their own satisfaction when they met Velvets drummer Maureen Tucker in Phoenix a year ago.   (And they couldn't pass up the chance to have Tucker, whose daughter is a Femmes fan, sit in with them.  She pounded DeLorenzo's tom-tom on the snappy non-original "Dance, Motherfucker, Dance").

"We asked her if she thought we sounded like the Velvet Underground," Ritchie recalls.  "She said, 'Oh no, not at all.'   And Jonathan Richman says that he hates us.  So we've got disclaimers from both of the people we're compared to."

The following Hallowed Ground album must have taken some Femmes followers by surprise.  Gano went back to his folk roots for traditional song forms which he warped to his purpose.  The singer also wrote a couple of neo-spirituals, "Jesus Walking On the Water" and "It's Gonna Rain."  Those more comfortable with his teen-rebellion anthems assumed these gospel-flavored songs were put-ons.  They're not.

"It begins to mean more and more to me," says Gano, whose father is an American Baptist minister.  "Originally somebody in the group didn't want to do those 'cause they didn't believe in it.  A year or so later the same person said, 'Let's do your gospel songs, they're your best songs.'"

"At first I said, 'Forget it.  I refuse to do any of this Christian garbage,'" Ritchie admits.  "Then I realized this was a close-minded attitude.  I listen to gospel music myself, and I love religious art.   I realized I was being a hypocrite because I wouldn't be willing to play something that I would happily listen to."

"Those songs are part of Gordon's make-up," DeLorenzo says, "and the idea behind this band is to indulge ourselves musically and also to remain real people in doing so.  So why not play some of the songs we think we can do a good job with?"  DeLorenzo himself is a non-observant Christian.   As for Ritchie, "I say Sun Ra is the only guy that's making sense nowadays."

Even Gano, however, was appalled to discover that Warners was advertising the new Femmes album with the tagline, "The F-word of the 80s is FAITH."  (The song of that title includes a "faith call" reminiscent of Country Joe and the Fish's "fish cheer," which spelled out another F-word.)   More likely the record company was at wits end trying to summarize an album that ranges lyrically from outraged politics ("Old Mother Reagan," "No Killing") to silly love songs ("Special," "Heartache"), and musically from punk to blues to country-western pastiche to semi-jazzy introspection.

"We imposed a stylistic approach upon all the songs on the first album," Ritchie says.  "Then we imposed a philosophy on the second album.  On the third album we threw all our previous ideas out the window and decided to do each song as an individual song, the best we could do it."  One novel touch on The Blind Leading The Naked is a strong producer's hand:   Talking Heads' keyboard player (and fellow Milwaukeean) Jerry Harrison was behind the board.  Consequently, DeLorenzo says, "the sound is a little more palatable."  But Ritchie adds that the group itself made a "conscious choice" to use tighter arrangements than previously:  "We wanted to give people a lot of ideas to digest.  So we were more into songs as statements of philosophy and getting lyrics across than we were with the kind of jazz approach we had previously, which showcased instrumental finesse."

Harrison didn't always get his way.  The album concludes with "Two People," a fifty-seven-second fragment Gano wrote when he was fifteen or sixteen.  Gano says that "Jerry Harrison thought, 'Sounds great, but it's too short.  You gotta write some more verses.'  I tried to write some other verses, even though instinctively it didn't feel particularly right.  But when it came right down to it, that one little verse, just having the song and almost as it began, was right."

The idea of recording "Children of the Revolution" came from Ritchie, a Marc Bolan fanatic.  "It was just a fluke that we even did it at all," the bassist explains.  "We listened to it once, wrote down the chord changes and lyrics, and then never referred to the original version again."

"I'd never heard it," Gano says.  "I listened to it and just started laughing, 'cause I couldn't imagine us doing it.  The only way I can sing it is through the idea of sarcasm.  'You won't fool the children of the revolution' -- that just seems ridiculous to me."

Spontaneity plays a large part in the Femmes esthetic.   "We basically never rehearse," Gano says.  "We just learn things onstange.  'Jesus Walking On The Water' I played through once or twice in the dressing-room right before going onstange."

That anarchic streak ran through the Noisemakers From Hell, a band (more or less) including Ritchie and DeLorenzo that played Sunday nights in Milwaukee.  The Noisemakers' free-form appearances, Ritchie says, were "like being on a psychoanalyst's couch in front of an audience every week."  The group "committed suicide" at a gig last New Year's Eve.  More recently the Femmes rhythm section invited fellow eccentric Eugene Chadbourne to Milwaukee, where they rehearsed, recorded and mixed a "total political album" of social commentary in four days.  "It's a privilege to work with a guy who's on a mission," Ritchie says.  "He didn't even believe in tuning the guitar....He didn't think that was relevant."  Ritchie tuned it when Chadbourne wasn't looking.

One explanation for the non-Femmes activity is that Gano transplanted himself to New York.  He's been keeping busy, too, both reverting to a solo act and performing with Mercy Seat, a gospel/rock 'n' roll band.  The 900-mile distance between the other Femmes and himself presents a communications problem, but reflects no musical diffferences.  Besides, Gano says, "it helps me to play with other people, because the Femmes are my first band."

The group's open marriage is appropriate for three rather disparate individuals.  DeLorenzo -- at thirty-one, the Femmes' elder statesperson -- prefers vests and jackets to the others' wilder garb.  Gano, despite writing virtually all the material, seems a little self-conscious about his lack of extensive experience.  Ritchie is eager to jam with any peers.  All are proud of how far they've come, even as they're apprehensive about being poised on the edge of mass acceptance.

"Success is very nice," Ritchie affirms, "especially when it's on your own terms."  "Success is so much perspective," Gano feels.  "The Jacksons have to apologize if they only sell five million and Michael sells fifty million.  The kind of life we have with our group, for some people that's like being the Stones."

"About the group, I've always felt on two different planes.  One is that it's all so amazing that we could be doing what we've done -- a band that has been called, and maybe justly so, a 'weirdo band.'  But for a band from Milwaukee who couldn't even get any gigs in Milwaukee to get to the point where we got playing this kind of music -- that's just amazing."

Circumstances have changed, but the Femmes haven't.   They've retained a remarkable degree of artistic control -- except maybe for the new album's title.  "We wanted to call it I Daresay He Soiled Himself," Ritchie says.  "When we ran it by Bob Biggs at Slash, he said, 'Uh, I'll ask Warners but I don't think so.'  When they discussed it they decided they could not sell a record called I Daresay He Soiled Himself."  They evidently can sell The Blind Leading The Naked, though, and the Femmes themselves are prepared for cries of "sell-out" from the pompous.  Typically, they are unconcerned.

"It's not selling out, it's experimentation," Ritchie maintains.  There's certainly little likelihood of this group getting spoiled:  "We're still using the same exact amps we used when we started -- not the same models, the same amps!"

"Some people would hope that we don't ever get too popular," Gano says, "'cause in some ways that'll cheapen it.  I don't go along with that.  We've never taken the path of what seems to be the successful way to go.  One girl at a record store signing we did said, 'That "Revolution" song is great!  You keep doing songs like that, you'll really be famous!'  I was smiling, but I don't think we will."


THE FEMMES MYSTIQUE

The Femmes have come a long way, baby, since drummer Victor DeLorenzo's kit consisted entirely of a snare, a cymbal and the unique tranceaphone -- a tin bucket suspended over a tom.  Nowadays DeLorenzo uses a 20-inch bass drum, 8x12 mounted tom and 6 1/2 x14 wood snare, all by Gretsch;  an 18-inch Paiste crash ride, 16-inch Zildjian crash and two 14-inch Zildjian high-hat cymbals;   Sonor high-hat and double cymbal stands;  Yamaha snare stand;  and Drummers Workshop bass-drum pedal.  His sticks are Vic Firths, brushes are Regal Tips.  DeLorenzo also has a Farken floor drum, a Dutch snare (c. 1950) he uses as a bass drum;  a Guatemalan tortoise shell, heard on the middle eight of "Breakin' Hearts";  and a Stompatron.  Oh, about that tranceaphone:  It's a 14x14 Whitehall floor tom with a Lawson metal bushel basket overhead, on a Ludwig stand.

Brian Ritchie's twangy sonic trademark is an Ernie Ball Earthwood acoustic bass guitar.  He also plays a custom guitar made by Milwaukeean Jim Eanelli -- a Telecaster body with two Danelectro pickups -- and an electric guitar and electric bass by Maton, an Australian firm the band discovered on tour down under.  Mr. Ritchie also plays Humanatone nose flutes, Acme slide whistle, a double-necked German jaw harp, and conches.  He's even been known to pick up a Fender fretless jazz bass (on "Good Friend") and a Hagstrom eight-string bass.  He plays through a Music Man amp with one twelve-inch JBL speaker or a fifteen and twelve, "depending on the size of the venue and if our roadies remember to bring the right gear."

Onstage Gordon Gano strums a Maton Scorpion guitar, plugged into a Fender Deluxe Reverb amp.  In the studio the Femmes draw on about a dozen guitars, including Fender, Gibson, Yamaha and Takamine.  Gano's thin-line Telecaster with original pickups and sunburst finish was stolen in Los Angeles, but producer Jerry Harrison lent his own -- which he got from Jonathan Richman -- for the new album's more abrasive moments.